Minutes of Friday Airport Advisory Committee meeting: 15 September 2000 1. Open meeting at 9:02am. 2. Present: Tim Scully, Trey Loy, Dick Ahrens (sine quorum) Absent: Dave Brewer, Susan Winding, Tom Goncharoff, Willow Trent Visitor: Laura Balows 3. Correspondence: A. Larry Wright, re ICASP state report. B. Public Resources Committee Agenda for 23 October. C. GPS status. D. ICASP Report, and thanks ffrom Larry Wright. E. T.Goncharoff, correction. F. B. Raabe, still interested in building hangars. G. T. Goncharoff excused absence. H. W. Trent excused absence. 4. Dog Park: A. Visitor Laura Balows spoke in favor of establishing a dog park on airport property. B. Dogs would be able to run, off leash, in a fenced area, and play and socialize. C. The dog park would be self-funding. Problems are proximity to a water supply, shade, trash removal. D. Laura provided written materials for the Committee to review. 5. CalTrans Loans A. Can we go to PG&E for an estimate? B. Can we go to Pac Bell for an estimate? C. Is Area C the site? D. We agreed on $30,000 per hangar as a rough estimate E. The waiting list needs to be validated by soliciting deposits, we agreed on a $450 deposit and $225/month estimated rent. F. Can we advertise the deposit solicitation? G. Tim Scully to draft a report for the Public Resources committee and circulate it to the committee within a week. 6. Next meetings: Oct 20, Oct 23, Nov 17, Dec 15. 7. Adjourn: 10:51am. The agenda for the next meeting is: Approve the minutes of the last meeting Communications (letters, FAXes, etc, sent/received since last meeting) Additional hangars at the airport will be the main focus of this and the next few meetings. Reports from subcommittees Public comment Agree on a date, time and place for the next meeting Agree on agenda for next meeting The Airport Advisory Committee will be meeting with the Public Resources Committee of the Board of Supervisors on October 23 at about 9am, at 501 Low Gap Road, Ukiah. The AAC will present another interim hangar report to the Supervisors at this meeting. Members of the Little River Airport Advisory Committee ------------------------------------------------------ Dick Ahrens pilot, airport neighbor Dave Brewer pilot, lives near airport Tom Goncharoff Trey Loy non-pilot, lives near airport Tim Scully inactive pilot (lost medical), computer programmer, lives near airport Willow Trent airport neighbor, non-pilot Susan Winding airport neighbor, non-pilot, business owner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Scully received a voice mail from Larry Wright asking for data on the number of operations at Little River Airport. Larry also had other questions about the airport. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Scully 8/21/00 Larry Wright Phil Dow & Associates Dear Mr. Wright; I'm appending a draft report from the LRAAC regarding operations at Little River Airport. We estimate the annual operations (one takeoff or landing) at about 6500-7000. I'm looking forward to seeing your other questions. Yours, Tim Scully, Ph.D. Chair, LRAAC This FAX has a total of 4 pages including this page. DRAFT November 1999 Subject: Operations Estimates for Little River Airport We have two estimates of operations at Little River Airport 1) An estimate by the State Department of Transportation based on measurements made by a device which records the number of loud noise incidents associated with takeoffs. The device was used at Little River during three two-week sampling periods in May and October 1998 and March 1999. The device operates 24 hours a day. The resulting estimate for the period July 1, 1998 through June 30, 1999 was 7741 operations. The estimate is documented in a letter of June 23, 1999 from Jeffery Slusarz to Chuck Boyer. Table I is a summary of results taken from the letter. 2) An estimate based on logs of operations kept by the airport supervisor. These logs cover the period November 1, 1997 through October 31, 1998. The logs are kept only while the airport is open (Thursday through Monday, 8:00am to 5:00pm) and when the supervisor is not busy with other duties. Based on the logs for the time the airport was open, I estimated total operations. The resulting estimate for the period November 1, 1997 through October 31, 1998 was 5268 operations. This estimate is summarized in Table 2. The first seven columns of Table 3 are a comparison of the state and log estimates for comparable periods. Note that since the two estimates are for different, partially overlapping periods I used comparable periods in a different year in some cases. Each of the estimates has advantages and disadvantages. The state estimate is based on readings from a device which, during the time it is being used, never sleeps and records every takeoff. The disadvantage of the state method is that it bases an estimate of 365 days of activity on 43 days of readings. In particular, it appears that the state used two sampling periods which were not representative of the four-month periods they were used to predict. The logging method covers 260 days of the year, but only the hours of 8:00 am to 5:00 pm and then is only accurate when the airport supervisor has nothing more important to do. In particular, it appears that the log is least accurate on busy days and during busy periods of the day such as times when there are touch and go operations. We can use the broader coverage of the log estimate to attempt to correct for the fact that the state sampling periods may not be representative. This correction is shown in the last three columns of Table 3. For example, for the period 5/11/98-5/24/98, we can use the operations from the logs for that period (which are much lower than the state counts) and for the period July-October/98 to come up with a factor by which the state count should be multiplied to better predict the four-month period. The calculation results in an increase in the state number from 22/day to 33/day. Calculations for the other sampling periods result in a reduction of 935 to the state number or a net of 6806 operations. Of course the precision of this estimate is much greater than its accuracy. It seems fair to say that the total number of operations for FY1999 was about 6500-7000. TABLE 1 ------- California Department of Transportation Aeronautics program Estimated Annual Operations (take-offs and Landings) Airport: Little River Airport ------------------------------------------------------------------ Week 1 2 3 4 5 6 Season Summer and Fall Winter Spring Months July to October Nov. to February March to June Start 5/11/98 10/20/98 04/07/99 End 5/24/98 11/02/98 04/21/99 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Daily take-offs as per Acoustical Counter Day 1 4 1 2 2 1 22 2 9 11 14 4 2 19 3 7 6 13 7 14 15 4 12 9 12 14 1 24 5 8 18 9 3 20 7 6 25 10 17 11 6 7 7 8 23 18 11 7 5 8 no no no no 18 no ------------------------------------------------------------------- days sampled 7 7 7 7 8 7 total weekly ops: 146 156 170 104 138 198 Avg daily ops 21 22 24 15 17 28 Seasonal avg 22 20 22 Ops = take-offs x 2 Estimated annual operations based on 43 days of take-off counts recorded between May 1998 and April 1999 - 7,741. TABLE 2 ------- Little River Airport Summary of Operations by Month* November 219 December 277 January 128 February 123 March 380 April 459 May 442 June 466 July 600 August 667 September 684 October 823 ------ Total 5268 * One operation is one takeoff or one landing TABLE 3 State diff diff ------- State State Log Log Seasonal in in Period Days Ops Ops/day Ops Ops/day ave Note aves ops ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5/11- 5/24/98 14 302 21.6 212 15.1 1 July-Oct 1998 123 2774 22.6 22/day 2 11 +1353 10/20- 11/2/98 14 274 19.6 10/20- 10/31/98 12 230 19.2 254 21.2 3 Nov97- Feb98 120 747 6.2 20/day 4 -15 -1800 4/7- 4/21/99 15 336 22.4 5 March- June99 22/day 4/7/- 4/21/98 15 260 17.3 6 March- June 98 122 1747 14.3 7 -4 -488 ----- -935 State Estimate 7741 Corrected State Estimate 6806 NOTES: 1. State numbers much higher. Under logging of touch and gos? 2. State ave should be 22 x (22.6 / 15.1) = 33 3. Fairly good agreement between state and logs 4. As above, state ave should be 20 x (6.2 / 21.2) = 6 5. No logs for this period 6. Corresponding period one year earlier 7. As above, state ave should be 22 x (14.3. / 17.3) = 18 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mendocino Council of Governments 367 North State Street - Suite 206 - Ukiah, CA 95482 August 21, 2000 Mr. Tim Scully, Ph.D. Chairman, LRAAC Dear Mr. Scully, Many thanks for the information on annual aircraft operations at the Little Rivw Airport. Attached to this transmittal is a copy of a memo from the CALTRANS Aeronautic 1 Program staff containing a description of the work requirements for Phase II of the ICASP and examples of what they are looking for in our regional ICASP report. As I related to you over the phone have been trying to work through Chuck Boyer at the County, but he is simply too busy to provide any information at all. MCOG (that's us) was supposed to have this finished by the end of March,2000; but obviously that never happened Any help that you can provide regwding the current status of Little River Airport, even if it you best guess at what is going to happen, will be greatly appreciated. Sincerely Yours, Lawrence N. Wright, PE Deputy Long Range Planning ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Scully 8/22/00 Larry Wright Phil Dow & Associates Dear Mr. Wright; Thank you for your FAX. Can you tell me if you have a copy of the existing Mendocino County version of these documents? If I could get a copy of the last versions that were sent to the State, it would help me keep from straying too far from the beaten path in giving you a response. Am I correct in understanding that you want a more or less immediate response and that you don't have time to wait for the next committee meeting, next month? If so, I'll have to give you the best information I can generate on my own, and it won't have the approval of the full committee. If I do this, I'll need to copy Stan Townsend and Chuck Boyer so they will have a chance to review what I've said. Ok? Yours, Tim Scully, Ph.D. Chair, LRAAC This FAX has a total of 1 page including this page. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- August 22, 2000 Mr. Tim Scully Chairman, LRAAC Dear Mr. Scully, I am including the relevant sections out of the 1996 Regional Transportation Plan up-date related to the Little River Airport. I am also including the Inventory Sheet and forecast data from CALTRANS Aeronautics Program staff. There is no previous ICASP report for Mendocino County. I believe that this is the first year that this formal has been attempted, The subject headings for the 'System Requirements' element are all I can offer for guidance for your airport. The examples of text narrative for the Policy and Action Plan elements are what I am attempting to use for the other airports in the County. The CIP sections out of the RTP document might offer a list of proposed projects to review for the current ICASP Action Plan. As you surmised, I will need what ever you can come up with as soon as possible. I would like to get a completed Mendocino ICASP report to CALTRANS by the and of this month,. So the committee meeting next month will be too late. As for notifying Stan Townsend or Chuck Boyer, 1 believe that appropriate, as long as it does not delay getting your response to me. Both Stan and Chuck have made it abundantly clear that they do not have time or staff available to assist with the narrative information for the ICASP report. Therefore, whatever I can put together for Little River Airport is up to me. And as I have said previously, I am very grateful for your assistance. I spoke with Terry Barrie at the Aeronautics Program Office in Sacramento this morning and gave him a brief status report. he is waiting for Mendocino and Del Norte County to complete their reports before putting together a Northern California ICASP summary document. We will have a chance to review the sumnary report and provide additional input before it is sent to the FAA. I will make sure that you are sent a copy directly in the mail. If you have any further questions do not hesitate to call me. My telephone is xxxx aad e-mail address is LNWright. I will look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely, Laurence N. Wright, PE Deputy, Long Pange Plarming Enclosures [the enclosures were too fuzzy to OCR and too lengthy to type by hand.] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Scully Sent: August 23, 2000 6:19 AM To: 'Heike Arnold'; Tim Scully Subject: RE: Public Resources Committee Meeting - September The Little River Airport Advisory Committee has been continuing work on the hangar issue since our report in June. We would like to be agendized in October, if that is possible. We will report on the proposed hangar location, the CalTrans loan process and hangar construction cost estimates. The outcome we hope for is a decision to * solicit more accurate cost estimates from contractors * once a more accurate budget exists, validate the waiting list by requesting deposits * secure Board approval and apply for the loan, start construction If we can be agendized for October, please let me know the date and time of the October Public Resources meeting. Thank you! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Heike G. Arnold Sent: August 25, 2000 4:29 PM To: tim.scully Subject: RE: Public Resources Committee Meeting - September Your subject matter refernces the September meeting and the body of your E-Mail references the October Public Resources Committee meeting. The September meeting is scheduled for September 18 and the October meeting for October 23, both in the a.m. Please let me know which meeting you wish to attend and I will agendize the Little River Airport item accordingly. Thanks you - Heike Arnold ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Scully Sent: August 26, 2000 4:46 AM To: 'Heike G. Arnold'; Tim Scully Subject: RE: Public Resources Committee Meeting - September I apologize for the ambiguity. October 23 is the correct date. Thank you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Scully Sent: August 25, 2000 12:48 PM To: 'tom goncharoff'; Tim Scully Cc: Dave and Celia Brewer Subject: RE: Meeting with Mike Dell'Ara Dick Ahrens rnnn Willow Trent willowt Susan Winding whistle -----Original Message----- From: tom goncharoff Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:17 PM To: tim scully Cc: Dave and Celia Brewer Subject: Meeting with Mike Dell'Ara Tim, I met with Mike this morning. He gave me all the documents that he had concerning his hangar that was built at Little River in '98. Trey phoned me and asked me to share with him the info I get from Mike. I have telephoned Trey today and advised his answering machine that I have whatever Mike had to lend to me. Mike told me that he was the one that submitted the request to the FAA for a GPS approach for Willits, which has not yet been accomplished by them. He told me they have flown the approach in a Sabreliner and documented it and are now waiting for it to be issued. If you wish, you can contact Mike at xxx or dellara. Would you please send me an e-mail with Susan's, Willow's and Dick's e-mail addresses so I can add them to my address book. Thanks, Tom ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tom goncharoff Sent: August 26, 2000 5:32 PM To: Dave and Celia Brewer; tim scully; susan winding Cc: Mike Dell'Ara Subject: Hangar discussions with Mike Dell'Ara I met with Mike at his house in Caspar on Friday August 26, 2000. He was very friendly and cooperative. In addition to having his hangar built at Little River Airport, he was very involved in the project at Willits that built hangars there about 10 years ago. I have listed below the information and comments from Mike concerning the Little River hangar: 1. Hangar type: Rectangular with bi-fold electric door A. Manufacturer: Diversified Hangar, 6520 Via Avenue, Atascadero, CA 93422 (808) 461-0812 B. Model DRH43A, 43' x 36' x 11' vertical tail clearance with electric overhead door C. Structural analysis performed by Craig & Associates D. Concrete pad & apron, erect hangar & furnish & install electrical performed by: R. Wade Bashore Construction, Willits, CA E. Cost for D. above was $18,557.67 Cost for B. above was $16,049. These costs do not include delivery or tax. F. The job was done in 1998. G. Concrete slab was 43' x 36' x 4" thick. All reinforced to code. This slab is 1548 square feet. H. Apron is 20' x 50' plus a 4' x 42' sill in front of hangar I. Roof/Ridge Vent is present. This hangar is suitable for light twin aircraft. The company also has a "T" hangar model that is advertised for $9,850. complete. It is 41'4" clear width, 34' clear depth and 11' clear height. Drawings for concrete foundation are furnished. I will mail a copy of this report to Trey Loy. Tom Goncharoff ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lrairpt Sent: August 26, 2000 8:22 AM To: Tim Scully Subject: hanger Tim 18 hangers P.O.H 6 hangers C.O. H Tim was also thinking that maybe in that 20 year part we, may put down that large transient, hanger or cover parking. Dave Thorpe Airport Supervisor Little River Airport ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Scully Sent: August 28, 2000 5:47 AM To: 'Larry Wright, Phil Dow & Associates' Cc: 'Chuck Boyer'; 'Dave Thorpe - Little River Airport'; 'Stan Townsend'; Tim Scully Subject: ICASP report I am appending a quick attempt at filling in most of the elements of the ICASP report. I used material from the earlier County statements to fill in the Goals and Policy sections, and I used a combination of items from the previous CIP and from a brief meeting with Dave Thorpe to compile the action plan and to correct the inventory sheet. I am copying Dave Thorpe, Chuck Boyer and Stan Townsend in the hope that they will have time to review this for errors and omissions. I hope this is helpful. In the future, it would be good if the whole Airport Advisory Committee could participate in this process. If you can give us more advance notice of the deadline, that'll be possible. GOALS ----- Maintain adequate facilities for general aviation for residents of the county, without undue financial hardship to the county. POLICIES -------- Consistent with regional priorities and financial constraints, the regional aviation facilities should accomodate the mobility needs of commerce and passenger travel, together with the special needs of agriculture, industry, recreation and emergency services. Maintain and improve existing publicaly-owned airports of the region as consistent with established needs and financial constraints. Future development of each airport should be based upon an adopted master plan for the facility. [The current Little River Airport master plan was completed in February 1990. The Airport Advisory Committee has begun the long process of updating this plan.] Provide adequate public transit with improved streets and roads to regional airports based upon established need and financial constraints. All aviation facilities should be environmentally acceptable and, where warranted, respective owner/agencies should cooperate to develop adequate noise control measures in accordance with airport regulations and appropriate land use planning of adjacent lands. [Little River Airport adopted a noise abatement policy developed by the Airport Advisory Committee in late 1996.] Local rules affecting Little River airport ------------------------------------------ Mendocino County ordinance #3347 adopted by the Board on JUly 7, 1981 regulates the airport. Accomplished since the last plan -------------------------------- The Little River Airport runway and taxiways were fog sealed and restriped in 1999. The Board of Supervisors asked the FAA to develop non-precision GPS instrument approaches for Little River Airport in 1999. The height and location of many trees around the airport have been surveyed by the Little River Airport Pilots Association, but an action plan for dealing with the trees has not yet been developed. The airport operations building has been refurbished by local pilots. The underground fuel tanks have been removed and replaced with a card-lock above ground fuel system. Free standing restrooms were built. Taxiway edge reflectors Updated runway identification and hold short signs, added noise abatement signs. OBJECTIVES ---------- ACTION PLAN ----------- Short Range Plan (next 10 years) ---------------- 1) Build 10-16 additional hangars. - cost about $220,000 to $350,000 2) Complete the process of obtaining non-precision GPS approaches. No known cost unless tree trimming is required. 3) AWOS or ASOS installation -- cost about $200,000 4) land swaps to acquire clear zones -- cost unknown 5) Replace the existing runway edge lighting system and wiring -- cost unknown 6) Drill a new water well and install a storage tank. -- cost unknown 7) replace septic system -- cost unknown 8) about 5 years out - overlay of all paved areas -- cost over $1,000,000 9) Trim trees and brush -- cost unknown Long Range Plan (next 20 years) --------------- Trim trees and brush replace storage buildings replace ops building more tiedowns more hangars as needed Large transient hangar or covered parking Corrections to the 1998 inventory element ----------------------------------------- Based Aircraft - single engine 22 multi-engine 1 ultralight 1 total 24 Aircraft parking type Available Occupied T-hangars 0 24 tie downs 34 2 shelters 0 0 Annual operations 6500 Corporate - yes Cargo - no Agriculture - no Passenger - no Medical emergency - 60 Search and rescue - 12 Training - yes Tourism - yes Glider - no Parachute - no ultralights - yes Public transportatation - yes Auto rental - yes AVGAS fuel - yes (card lock) JET fuel - no power plant repair - no airframe repair - no avionics repair - no prop service - no ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Boyer Sent: August 28, 2000 10:18 AM To: tim.scullu Cc: lrairpt townsens Subject: RE: ICASP report Tim, A new water well and storage tank were put in a few years ago and to the best of my knowledge is more than adequate for the water needs of the airport; therefore, a new well and storage tank would not be needed. Chuck CHUCK BOYER, Business Services Manager Mendocino County Department of Transportation 340 Lake Mendocino Drive Ukiah, CA 95482-9432 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Scully Sent: August 28, 2000 1:29 PM To: Tim Scully; 'Larry Wright, Phil Dow & Associates' Cc: 'Chuck Boyer'; 'Dave Thorpe - Little River Airport'; 'Stan Townsend' Subject: RE: ICASP report Larry, I am appending a corrected version, I'm told that the well and storage tank have already been upgraded, so I moved this item to the list of things accomplished. GOALS ----- Maintain adequate facilities for general aviation for residents of the county, without undue financial hardship to the county. POLICIES -------- Consistent with regional priorities and financial constraints, the regional aviation facilities should accomodate the mobility needs of commerce and passengar travel, together with the special needs of agriculture, industry, recreation and emergency services. Maintain and improve existing publicaly-owned airports of the region as consistent with established needs and financial constraints. Future development of each airport should be based upon an adopted master plan for the facility. [The current Little River Airport master plan was completed in February 1990. The Airport Advisory Committee has begun the long process of updating this plan.] Provide adequate public transit with improved streets and roads to regional airports based upon established need and financial constraints. All aviation facilities should be environmentally acceptable and, where warranted, respective owner/agencies should cooperate to develop adequate noise control measures in accordance with airport regulations and appropriate land use planning of adjacent lands. [Little River Airport adopted a noise abatement policy developed by the Airport Advisory Committee in late 1996.] Local rules affecting Little River airport ------------------------------------------ Mendocino County ordinance #3347 adopted by the Board on JUly 7, 1981 regulates the airport. Accomplished since the last plan -------------------------------- The Little River Airport runway and taxiways were fog sealed and restriped in 1999. The Board of Supervisors asked the FAA to develop non-precision GPS instrument approaches for Little River Airport in 1999. The height and location of many trees around the airport have been surveyed by the Little River Airport Pilots Association, but an action plan for dealing with the trees has not yet been developed. The airport operations building has been refurbished by local pilots. The underground fuel tanks have been removed and replaced with a card-lock above ground fuel system. Free standing restrooms were built. Taxiway edge reflectors Updated runway identification and hold short signs, added noise abatement signs. Drilled a new water well and installed a storage tank. OBJECTIVES ---------- ACTION PLAN ----------- Short Range Plan (next 10 years) ---------------- 1) Build 10-16 additional hangars. - cost about $220,000 2) Complete the process of obtaining non-precision GPS approaches. No known cost unless tree trimming is required. 3) AWOS or ASOS installation -- cost about $200,000 4) land swaps to acquire clear zones 5) Replace the existing runway edge lighting system and wiring 6) replace septic system 7) about 5 years out - overlay of all paved areas -- cost over $1,000,000 8) Trim trees and brush Long Range Plan (next 20 years) --------------- Trim trees replace storage buildings replace ops building more tiedowns more hangars as needed Large transient hangar or covered parking Corrections to the 1998 inventory element ----------------------------------------- Based Aircraft - single engine 22 multi-engine 1 ultralight 1 total 24 Aircraft parking type Available Occupied T-hangars 0 24 tie downs 34 2 shelters 0 0 Annual operations 6500 Corporate - yes Cargo - no Agriculture - no Passenger - no Medical emergency - 60 Search and rescue - 12 Training - yes Tourism - yes Glider - no Parachute - no ultralights - yes Public transportatation - yes Auto rental - yes AVGAS fuel - yes (card lock) JET fuel - no power plant repair - no airframe repair - no avionics repair - no prop service - no ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Scully Sent: August 30, 2000 3:22 PM To: 'Laurence N. Wright'; Tim Scully; pdow Subject: RE: ICASP report -information for LRA You are welcome. I think Chuck and Stan feel under seige, being as shorthanded as they are, I truly don't think there is any ill will, just a shortage of time. In any case, the Airport Advisory Committee will be happy to help to the extent that we can. I understand that the regional plan is important to successful grant writing! Do you have any interest in being on the email distribution list for the LRAAC's minutes? Tim Scully, Ph.D. Chair, LRAAC > -----Original Message----- > From: Laurence N. Wright > Sent: August 30, 2000 3:11 PM > To: tim.scully ; pdow > Subject: ICASP report -information for LRA > > > Dear Mr. Scully, > > Many thanks for the information regarding Little River > Airport! The data > is exactly what I need to fish up the ICASP report for > Mendocino County > for the state Aeronautics Program staff. I have to admit to > feeling some > frustration with the current situation with County staff in getting > information to the most responsive persons involved in transportation > planning for County facilities. I have been attempting to communicate > through Chuck Boyer and Stan Townsend of the County DOT for > over a year > regarding the State's Aviation Planning program. I have been > rebuffed by > the County staff at every step along the way. I only discovered that > your advisry committee was active by chance. In listening to > the radio I > heard the announcement of your recent meeting with Mr. Boyer > concerning > additional hanger space at Little River Airport. I then > called the Board > of Supervisor's office and obtained a list of members and who to > contact. It is difficult to understand why County staff did > not refer me > to you and your committee and why they made no mention of > your existence > to me. In the future I will deal directly with you and copy any > correspondance to County staff. The fact is that we at the regional > level have no power and can offer no direct incentive to the County > staff to cooperate with our planning efforts in the area of aviation. > While the CALTRANS Aeronautics Program staff make the case to us that > regional plan documatation for Capiatl Improvement Program projects is > important in setting priorities for FAA and State grants, the > County can > go directly to the FAA with a request and does not have to show any > evidence of regional coordination. So we are sort of stuck in the > middle! The State looks to us for regional avation planning > information > for the five publicly owned airports in the County, but we have no > leverage, except for good will, to get the local cooperation needed. > Believe me, If I had know of your committee and you earlier in the > process, you would have been involved form the beginning! > > Again, many thanks for your efforts and time in helping get the > neccessary information for Little River Airport. And if I can > be of any > help in your communications with the State, please do not hestitate to > call me. > > Laurence N. Wright, PE > Deputy, Long Range Planning > Dow and Associates > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tom goncharoff Sent: August 30, 2000 4:48 PM To: willow trent; tim scully; susan winding; dick ahrens; Dave and Celia Brewer Cc: Mike Dell'Ara Subject: Addendum to Mike Dell'Ara meeting To all LRAAC members, I screwed up big time !! The contractor's name that built the hangar for Mike is WAYNE NOT WADE !! Also, Mike advised me that in his opinion, the power available at his hangar, after the long run from the source, is marginal to operate his electric door opener, which requires 5 Amperes. This could mean that regardless of whether site C or D is chosen, PG&E may be required to provide power. Tom P.S. I mailed a copy of the first report to Trey, and I will mail a copy of this to him also. Willow, I neglected to send you the first report, so I will do so now. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Raabe Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:39 AM To: tim scully Subject: LR Airport Tim- I hope all is well. I am still interested in building hangers at the LRA. Crosswind Properties (my joint venture with Jeff Iversen) is close to starting a large project at Petaluma Airport on a 2 acre parcel we are leasing. We are also in talks with Napa Airport to expand their coporate hanger spaces. Let me know when and if the airport decides they are ready to add hangers. We can build them for you or lease the land and build them on spec. I realize the planning phase of these projects takes time, but I didn't want you to think we are no longer interested. Call me anytime at xxx Bruce Raabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Scully From: tim.scully Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:56 AM To: braabe ; tim Subject: RE: LR Airport I've put you on the mailing list for our meeting minutes so you can follow the process as we work on the hangar issue. We aren't at the stage where we are allowed to solicit bids yet, but I'll let you know if and when we get there. We'll be meeting with the Supervisors in October and will be asking them then if we can proceed to solicit bids. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bruce Raabe Sent: September 03, 2000 10:01 AM To: tim Subject: Re: 9/15/00 AAC agenda, 7/21/00 AAC minutes Tim- Thanks for the info. Comments- Crosswind Properties would be happy to provide a general estimate of construction costs if you can give us specifics on the number and size of the hangers you are interested in. Remeber, there is also a quality issue. We do not built low quality hangers. They just create more trouble later. Doors are a big issues. Also, at Gnoss we built one building that was 154' X 80' creating six hangers that were 50'X40'. This "six pack" looks alot better than six hangers and saves space and cost. It sounds like your hangers may be in one line. You might consider three hangers to a building. Maybe a 150' X 40' building for three 50X40 hangers. Six of these would be 18 hanger. I'm not sure how big your hangers are going to be, but we did quite a bit of reasearch and this size seemed quite useful as you can usually get two singles or a twin in the hangers. We can build any size in any configuartion you wish. I suggest you contact Jeff Iversen, my partner and the company President, at xxx. Jeff is our project manager with over 20 years structural steel experience. We'd be happy to meet you anytime at our office at Gnoss and show you the hangers we built there. I hope this helps. Bruce Raabe ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Scully Sent: September 12, 2000 12:35 PM To: 'Tom Goncharoff'; Tim Scully Cc: Dave and Celia Brewer; dick ahrens; Mike Dell'Ara; susan winding; willow trent Subject: RE: LRAAC Meeting on the 15th Tom, the information I have seen published about the AIR grants explicitly states that the grant money cannot be used to fund hangar construction. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. We'll miss you on the 15th. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Goncharoff > Sent: None > To: tim scully > Cc: Dave and Celia Brewer; dick ahrens; Mike Dell'Ara; susan winding; > willow trent > Subject: LRAAC Meeting on the 15th > > > Tim, > I will not be attending the LRAAC meeting on the 15th. I > have a Doctor's appointment in > Santa Rosa that I'm not able to reschedule. I have advised > all of the members by CC to this > message except for Trey Loy, who as you know does not have a > computer. I feel quite > strongly that we should be prepared when we address the > Supes, to be knowledgeable > concerning the feds $150K grant to airports, and press for > its use in reducing the amount that > has to be financed for the new hangars and therefore > potentially reducing the rental cost to > airplane owners. > Tom > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9/13/00 Phone message from Willow Trent - she will miss the September and October AAC meetings. In Spetember she is having surgery and in October she will be in Toronto. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is a Dogpark and Why Do We Need Them? www.dogpark.com/parkwht.html Simply stated, a dogpark is a place where people and their dogs can play together. As the name implies, these places offer dogs off-leash play areas while their people enjoy the park-like setting. Amenities, such as fencing, water, parking, and even grass, vary greatly among these places, but `off-leash' and `park' are the key elements that dog owners, um, taxpayers, um, voters, desire. For some dog owners, a dogpark may provide the only opportunity for owners to socialize with other people and their dogs. Persons with limited mobility, such as elderly and disabled dog owners, deserve to have their taxpayer dollars used towards a safe, accessible place where they can meet other people and exercise their dogs. For many people, visiting a dogpark is a primary source of recreation. The ability to share activities with canine family members at a dogpark is important, and increasingly recognized by cities. A report on off-leash dogparks by Portland Parks and Recreation states that "There is a newly identified parks user group: Dogs and their owners. This user group is drawn to parks for open space, fresh air, exercise and socialization for themselves and their pets. Coming to a park is their chosen form of recreation, much the same as jogging or biking. They are legitimate park users." The Marin Humane Society has been involved in the development of a number of local dogparks and states that: "There is no doubt that dog owners deserve to share in the "park pie" with other special use groups like baseball, soccer and tennis clubs. The recognized use of city and county maintained dog parks is growing at an amazing rate around the country, and these parks can provide an excellent venue for providing information on low cost spay/neuter and vaccination clinics, the microchip ID, dog training, and other information related to keeping canines happy and healthy. Dogs contribute immeasurably to their family's quality of life, thus helping to foster a sense of community for everyone. Making dog parks a priority creates positive community spirit." Dogpark ettiquite for People www.dogpark.com/parketuq.html Once you and your dog get to the dogpark, it's tempting to just stand back and watch all the activity. But everyone will have a much more rewarding time if you observe some basic rules. Dogparks aren't a right, they're a privilega - please don't let bad behavior ruin things for everyone else. Always keep your eye on your dog. Mischief can happen quickly. Never leave your dog unattended. Always clean up after your dog. Most parks have poopbags or scoopers, so use them. This is a primary reason that dogparks get complaints, so pay attention and pick up the poop. Make sure your dog is current on her shots and has a valid license. Don't bring dogs younger than 4 months to a dogpark. They won't have had all the necessary inoculations that allow them to play safely with other animals. Don't bring a female dog in season. Spayed/neutered animals are recommended. Don't bring more than three dogs. It subjects parks to overuse, and if they're not your dogs, you may not have full control over them. Keep your dog on-leash until you get to the off-leash area. This is not just respectful to other park users, it's much safer for your dog. If your dog becomes unruly or plays rough, leash him and leave immediately. If you must bring children to a dogpark, supervise them closely. Don't smoke or eat while at the dogpark. Cigarette butts and food wrappers are tempting treats to dogs, but bad for them. Always observe all of the rules posted at your local dogpark. Each town has its own set of regulations, so please follow them. Tips on Starting A Dogpark (www.dogpark.com/parktips.html) Community Benefits Socializes and exercised dogs in a safe environment. Promotes responsible pet ownership. Provides elderly and disabled owners with an accessible place to exercise their companions. Enables dogs to legally run off-leash. Promotes public health and safety. Provides a tool for realistic enforcement of dog control laws. The Ideal Dog Park is Designed to Include Concern for the environment. One acre or more surrounded byble gated. Shade and water. Adequate drainage. Parking close to site. Grass area; routine mowing. Covered garbage cans with regular trash removal. Pooper scooper stations. Benches. Wheel chair access. Safe location, not isolated. Regular maintenance. Things to Consider Before Developing a Dogpark Appropriate site selection. Noise. Maintenance and health concerns. City support. Traffic. Supervision of park. The Role of A Dogpark Group Raise funds for amenities. Monitor use. Clean-up. Serve as communications liaison with city, neighborhood and dog owners. (List reprinted with permission of the Marin Humane Society.) Dogpark Rules (www.dogpark.com/parkrules.html) The Ramsey County off-leash sites have drafted these rules for the dogparks in their jurisdiction. We reprint them here with thanks to ROMP. FIRST TIME USERS SHOULD VISIT THE AREA AT NON-PEAK TIMES Peak times are Monday - Friday, late afternoon until dark. Saturdays and Sundays are busy by 9:30 a.m. The first visit can be a little stressful for both you and your dog. Ease the stress that first time by going when the park isn't so busy. OBSERVE THE POSTED PARK RULES Both Battle Creek and Rice Creek have posted park rules (which are also posted at www.co.ramsey.mn.us/Parks/parks_trails/off_leash.html) Park users must comply with those rules for the safety of everyone and every dog! LET YOUR DOG OFF LEASH AS SOON AS YOU ARRIVE Leashed dogs may feel threatened and growl or bark when off-leash dogs greet them. KEEP WALKING This keeps the off leash area neutral territory. PICK UP POOP This is the single most important thing you can do to help ensure the ongoing success of these areas. We need to pick up after our dogs and even pick up a few extras! Many dedicated ROMPers do regular poop patrol -- one or two laps around conscientiously looking for orphan poops and collecting them. If you do this, you not only leave the site looking better than how you found it, you also model responsible behavior for the other dog owners. Try not to poop patrol alone. Rather, enlist a fellow dog owner to hold a Byerly's bag open for you while you pick up and pop the poops in the bag. Once you've taught another dog owner to poop patrol, they are much less shy about calling out "Do you need a bag?" or "Whose golden retriever is taking that dump over there?" when they see a poop about to be ignored. If you need a bag, take what you need from the bag dispenser box, but please bring some extra bags to share next time you come. Always pick up after your dog, even outside the off-leash area. BE AWARE THAT DOGS HAVE DIFFERENT PLAY STYLES Educate yourself on dog behavior. Ask questions. A behavior that concerns you may simply be a rambunctious play style. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR INJURIES INFLICTED BY YOUR DOG Prevent injuries by supervising your dog at all times. If your dog inflicts an injury, give your name and phone number to the other dog owner before leaving the area. SUPERVISE YOUR CHILDREN Prevent injuries by not allowing your children to run or scream around the dogs. In the confusion and fun at the off-leash site, some dogs may mistake a running or screaming child for another playing dog or even a wild animal. KEEP THE AREA SAFE & CLEAN Pick up cigarette butts and other trash lying around, garbage cans are provided. Don't let your dog dig holes. Bring fresh water to share -- just take home an empty jug from the site and bring it back full the next time you come. For the health and safety of our dogs, please be responsible and: Spay/neuter your dog Train your dog in basic obedience Keep vaccinations & licensing up to date