Airport Advisory Committee minutes of 16 March 2001. 1. Meeting open at 0900 2. Attendance: a) Present: T.Scully, T.Goncharoff, S.Winding, T.Loy, D.Brewer, R.Ahrens b) Absent, excused: W.Trent c) Guests: Juan Peqa, Bob Rodriguez, Naomi Jarvie 3. Scheduled meeting with Public Resources Committee (Supervisors Delbar and Shoemaker) on 19 March at 0900. 4. Susan Winding complaint: one particular landing at approximately 6:30pm on 15 March. 5. Minutes of last meeting approved. 6. Correspondence: a) Dervin to Scully: hangar b) Gelber to Scully: hangar c) Goncharoff to Scully: reappointments d) Boyer to Scully: hangar deposits received e) Scully to Clerk of the Board: agenda f) Scully to Boyer: meeting notice g) Hangar recommendations sent to Public Resources Committee h) Dog Park introduction sent to Public Resources Committee i) Wright to Scully: federal grant j) Scully to Boyer: federal grant k) Scully to Wright: federal grant 7. T.Loy moved to agendize The Woods request for road widening for the next meeting. 8. Dog Park: a) Bob Rodriguez: prepared for 19 March Public Resources Committee meeting b) New location chosen by Dog Park committee: several acres at the corner of Little River Airport Road and Albion-Little River Road 9. Hangars: a) The hangar manufacturers have no local contractors. b) In 1994 a 30'x40' wooden garage was built locally for $34,605.00 c) Red Hamilton is building two new hangars at Virgin Creek d) T.Loy has a list of hangar manufacturers and local contractors experienced in local hangar construction e) Discussion of costs, sizes, and utilities. 10. S.Winding notified the committee of a perceived, but as yet untested, pollution problem downstream from the airport. 11. Meeting closed at 10:13am The next meeting will be at 9am on April 20. The agenda for this meeting is: Approve the minutes of the last meeting Communications (letters, FAXes, etc, sent/received since last meeting) Additional hangars at the airport will be the main focus of this and the next few meetings. A possible Dog Park at the airport will be discussed further. The Woods' suggestions for improving traffic safety on Airport Road will be discussed and a recommendation may be made regarding a left turn lane at the Woods and possibly a stoplight at Highway 1. We may work on updating part of the Airport Master Plan. Reports from subcommittees Public comment Agree on a date, time and place for the next meeting Agree on agenda for next meeting Members of the Little River Airport Advisory Committee ------------------------------------------------------ Dick Ahrens pilot, airport neighbor Dave Brewer pilot, lives near airport Tom Goncharoff Trey Loy non-pilot, lives near airport Tim Scully inactive pilot (lost medical), computer programmer, lives near airport Willow Trent airport neighbor, non-pilot Susan Winding airport neighbor, non-pilot, business owner ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Dervin Sent: February 16, 2001 11:11 AM To: tim.scull Subject: Hangar input Mr. Scully, Please do not give out my e-mail address to anyone. I am responding to your last letter dated 2/5/01. I think I addressed all of the issues in my past communications. I would rather have a box shaped hangar. You mentioned that there is more concrete required for the box hangar compared to the cheaper "T" type. In my opinion the extra cost is easilly justified by the increased interior space of the box type. Wings, a fuselage, or a partially disassembled airplane can be stored along the longer side walls of the box type. There is also more potential to stuff two small aircraft into a box than a T.. Sharing is not an option for me. Subletting space might be a possibility for me if it were within the rules set up by whomever has the authority to enforce them. As for what aircraft I presently own? I just sold a Lockheed 1941 12-A (The one tied down at Ace Aerial Service at Ukiah) that I brokered for a friend. I have a 1938 Lockheed 12-A and a 1978 Aerostar Supestar for sale presently but they are both located on the east coast. I buy, sell, and broker aircraft. I am negotiating to buy, sell, and broker aircraft daily. My personal aircraft interests are in the realm of floatplanes now but that could change. I may purchase an amphibian in the future. As you are probably aware, amphibians (like the Supercub, Husky, Cessnas, and the Beaver) are quite tall sitting on floats on top of wheels. These types of aircraft require tall hangar door openings. Something your committee might consider when shopping hangars. Cheaper is not usually better when it comes to aviation. I believe this to be true with hangars as well as aircraft. Best Regards, John Dervin P.S. Please do not give out my e-mail address ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Matthew Gelber Sent: February 19, 2001 10:33 AM To: tim.scully Subject: Little River Airport hangers Hi Tim- I just unearthed your letter from my inbox about the hanger construction at Little River. Thank you for getting in touch with me! It's really great that the possibility exists for their construction- very opportune since I'm moving to the Mendocino area this year. I haven't purchased an aircraft yet, but I'm 99% sure it's going to be a C182. I'm also looking at a few other options (Mooney, Lancair, RV), but in any event it shouldn't be any bigger than the 182 as far as hanger space goes. I'd really prefer to have my own hanger, but it would be easier to say for sure if I had a better idea of the price differential and how much plane jockeying would be involved in a shared unit. I actually know nothing about hangers, so I don't really have any input, but please let me know if I can be of any help to you. Matthew Gelber ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tom goncharoff Sent: February 22, 2001 1:48 PM To: tim scully Cc: dick ahrens; dave brewer; susan winding Subject: Airport Advisory Committee Appointment Tim, There is an article is today's Mendo Beacon with Naomi Jarvie's byline that reports on the activities of our committee. It also mentions that you and I have appointments that expire on 1 January 2001, and that no word has been heard concerning reappointment. I received a letter dated January 19, 2001 from Kristi Furman, Clerk of the Board of Supervisors, signed by Janelle Rau, Deputy Clerk, that enclosed a Certificate of Appointment and Oath of Office. I was requested to sign the original before a Notary or a Supervisor or the Deputy Clerk of the Board, and return them to the County Clerk. I did all that on January 26th. I don't know if you have heard about your reappointment or not. If you want to offer the correct information to Naomi Jarvie, go for it! Tom ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Scully Sent: February 22, 2001 1:51 PM To: 'tom goncharoff'; Tim Scully Cc: dick ahrens; dave brewer; susan winding; Tim Scully Subject: RE: Airport Advisory Committee Appointment Thanks. I just received a similar letter today, so I was reappointed a month after you were. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chuck Boyer Sent: March 02, 2001 4:52 PM To: tim.scully Cc: townsens ; lrairpt Subject: Amended Hangar Lease Program Deposits Received List Tim, Attached is the final amended list for deposits received for the Hangar Lease Program. We now have sixteen deposits and I will not accept any more. Chuck CHUCK BOYER, Deputy Director Administration & Business Services Department of Transportation 340 Lake Mendocino Drive Ukiah, CA 95482-9432 LITTLE RIVER AIRPORT - DEPOSITS RECEIVED FOR HANGAR LEASE PROGRAM 1. Ralph Ascencio 2. Eric Miller 3. John Dervin & Martha Stafford 4. Greg Beaver 5. Bruce Raabe 6. Craig Wollmershauser 7. Matthew Gelber 8. Thomas Taylor 9. Fred Gibbons 10. Stephen Hurst 11. J.L. Fersch, Jr. 12. Mann & Sons AG-Aviation (Peter & Leslie Mann) 13. Elizabeth Van Den Bosch 14. Phillip Conwell, Jr. 15. Gordon Uhlmann 16. Alfonso Pena ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Scully 3/6/2001 Heike Arnold Clerk, Board of Supervisors 501 Low Gap Road Ukiah, CA 95482 Dear Ms. Arnold: I am enclosing 5 copies of the Little River Airport Advisory Committee's Hangar Construction Recommendation, for our presentation to the Public Resources Committee on March 19. We hope that the committee will act on this report by recommending to the Board that the project be referred to DOT for RFP and implementation. I am also enclosing 5 copies of a report submitted to our committee from a very well organized citizen's group which is interested in establishing a public dog park at the airport. We expect to be bringing a recommendation for this project to your committee later this year. We are currently working with the dog park group to help them identify an appropriate nonaviation area of the airport for their proposed project. Thank you. Respectfully Yours, Tim Scully, Ph.D. Chair, LRAAC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tim Scully Sent: March 14, 2001 10:03 AM To: 'Chuck Boyer'; 'Stan Townsend' Cc: Tim Scully Subject: Public Resource meeting 9am Monday 3/19/01 I'm told that the Airport Advisory Committe has been agendized for the 3/19 Public Resources committee meeting. I think our topic will be first, at 9am. We plan to report on hangars, and I am attaching a Word document which is one of the two handouts I sent to Heike to give to the Supervisors. This is the committe's latest report on hangars. I am also attaching a text file which is from the Dog Park committee. This citizen's group continues to work agressively on their proposal for a Dog Park at Little River Airport. The Airport Advisory Committee isn't ready to make a recommendation on this project yet, but we want you and Public Resources to be aware that it is being actively researched. Last but not least, I want you to know that I'm willing to help if you need any assitance in preparing the paperwork for the FAA grant. I gather from Larry Wright's emails that we stand to lose this funding if some specific project or projects are not named in a letter to the FAA. I look forward to seeing you next week. Respectfully Yours, Tim Scully, Ph.D. Chair, LRAAC Little River Airport Advisory Committee Hangar Construction Recommendation 3/6/2001 The Little River Airport Advisory committee has been working for over a year to develop a recommendation for the construction of additional hangars at Little River Airport. We analyzed 4 possible sites for hangars and recommended a specific site as being the least expensive to develop for a group of about 16 hangars. We researched demand and funding, and recommended obtaining a CalTrans low interest revenue generating loan, to be repaid by hangar rents. Last year, the Public Resources Committee and Board of Supervisors acted on our "Hangar Report Number 3" and authorized the Department of Transportation to solicit $600 deposits from up to 16 pilots as a demonstration of serious intent to rent a hangar. Sixteen pilots have sent deposits to DOT. We have surveyed these pilots to find out what size aircraft they have, if they are willing to share a large hangar and what hangar type they prefer. We have contacted many hangar manufacturers and many local contractors with experience building hangars. And we have made some measurements of the site selected for the new hangars. Survey of depositors Eight of the 16 depositors have responded so far. Two depositors indicated a need for very large hangars, at least 45x50x15 feet. The overwhelming majority of pilots expressed a preference for rectangular "box" hangars in contrast to "T" hangars. One pilot, who flies floatplanes, said he needs a tall hangar door (15 feet high). There seems to be general agreement on the following desirable characteristics: - Rectangular, smooth concrete floor - Well ventilated to minimize condensation - Natural light from translucent side panels - Rust-resistant and leak-proof - A second man-door is needed for larger hangars, not necessary for smaller hangars - Electricity, phone and water - A pitched roof (3:1 or more) is better than a flat roof - Metal parts should have a minimum 25 year anti-corrosion coating - Should be able to withstand a wind load of at least 80mph - Most users could be satisfied by a 30x40 foot hangar - Level, paved apron from taxiway to hangar - Users who responded to the survey emphasized a desire for good quality hangars even if this implies a somewhat higher monthly rent. - Provision needs to be made for drainage between hangars to the main drainage ditch - About 5 feet of space is recommended between the rear of the hangars and the ditch, for utility conduits and access for maintenance. This will constrain the depth of hangars. Next Steps The proposed site has already been cleared of trees, but there are some stumps remaining, mainly at the rear of the area, near the drainage ditch. These stumps should be removed before the concrete foundations for the hangars can be engineered and their costs accurately estimated. It is possible that concrete and paving costs could account for nearly half of the construction cost, and this cost will vary depending on what is revealed once the stumps have been removed. The site slopes downward somewhat at the rear and extra concrete will be required in this area. The County needs to decide if it will ask for one bid for both design and construction, or if these will be two separate RFP/bid processes. What if anything more does the Advisory Committee need to do? We believe that the project may be ready for referral to the full Board and DOT for implementation. MENDOCINO COAST DOG PARK Please allow us to use space to build a dog park. Introduction to the dog park ---------------------------- We, the Mendocino Coast Dog Park Committee, would like to make a presentation of our proposal to design, care for and use a secured - fenced - open space - dog and owner park, operated for and by local conununity members. The park will be placed in a 2 or 3 acre setting in the area known as the Fire Dept. old picnic area (refer to map). We have chosen this area because of the open, accessible and level terrain. What will enhance the dog park project at this location is utilizing the existing power, shade trees, water, adequate parking, separate entrance from the airport, natural buffer zone from neighbors, and the minimal impact on normal airport activities. We understand that this project must be self-sustaining and community supported. What we have accomplished ------------------------- We had set initial goals of determining community interest and support for a doq park and to study the feasibility and affordability of a dog park. Several of the committee members have gone out into the community and met with people to describe the dog park. People were asked if they would sign a statement of support for the dog park project. As of this date there are more than 250 signatures of support and many of these marked they are willing to help build the dog park. We posted fliers asking people to call or E-mail us with their conunents or support. We designed our own dog park web site (ww.mendocino.org/dog park) and from that we have received almost 300 hits in the past two weeks, some from out of area tourists. The majority of comments are positive and supportive. Our committee has formed several subcommittees to deal with many issues that have to be resolved. The design sub-committee addressed how to make the park safe, comfortable and secure so dogs won' t escape and run onto the airstrip. There will be double gates to keep the dog confined while entering or exiting with their owners. We have compiled a list of items for dogs comfort and people comfort too. These include water spigots, water buckets, cleaning supplies, plastic bags for the dogs. Benches, picnic tables, garbage cans for the owners. Some of these items are available now and will be available when the park is opened. A cleanup committee has been formed to discuss the process for how to maintain and clean the park. This will include making signs to instruct park users to clean up after themselves. The cleanup crew will be charged with insuring the park is maintained to a safe and healthy standard, perhaps 12 times per month. The Little River Pet shop, an online store, has made a commitment to help obtain the necessary equipment for the cleanup committee. They will address the trash can pickup issue. Also, a phone # has been established for anyone to call if they want to report any problems, vandalism or complaints. A materials subcommittee has discussed items needed for the park and has made a list which includes; chain link fencing, minimum 6' high, double gates and posts, garbage cans, water hose, stock tank, etc. They will be setting out to get bids on the costs for these materials. A site-work committee will determine how to clear the area to make it safe and usable. They will deal with the removal of the trailer and toilet shed, any unsafe benches and tables, a stage, sinks, and remove dead trees or limbs. Undergrowth will be cleared and remove. They will deal with clearing an access route from the paved road to the park entrance and separate from airport traffic flow. Funding: -------- We will need funding to pay for all for the above costs. Our expectation is to pay full operating costs ourselves with no expense to the County, airport or other entity. A subcommittee is identifying and seeking sources of available funding. We expect the majority of funding to come from community support in the form of donations. Verbal support indicates much of the cash will be available in this way. A separate money account will be established to cover the full expense of clean up, and removal if the project must be closed for any reason. For guidance, we have been working closely with the local Humane Society and can work together on dog related issues, such as the spay/neuter program, dog health issues, training and obedience classes and can provide for a dog information bulletin board for public use. Business Support: ---------------- We have contacted several local businesses and drawn up a business donation plan. We have found the businesses, such as hotels, stores, B & B's to be very supportive of our project and expressed interest in using their business names connected to the dog park. Businesses can donate equipment and/or cash or they can become sponsor/donors. As a donor, they may earn advertising space on the dog park web site. For those businesses providing overnight lodging, they may be able to do promotional advertising on our web site, as a 'dogs welcomed' facility, which is highly valued for dog owning tourists planning to vacation in the area. There may be an adoptafence sponsor program to advertise businesses that provide financial support. (We, the committee will determtine the perimeters by which ads will be accepted) Benefits: This project... - Provides a safe, clean & healthy environment for social activity and off-leash exercise for dogs - Provides a community sponsored forum for socializing and interaction with neighbors - Provides a community service, free of charge for everyone - Provides health benefits for senior citizens who may have limited mobility and are dog owners - Provides an alternative space for owners to let their dogs run and to lessen the impact on local beaches and other inappropriate spaces - Promotes responsible dog ownership and a place to share educational information on dog health issues - Promotes the airport as having the capability to work with and consider the needs of the Little River and surrounding communities for what is being established as a very desirable and compatible project for that location Final: ----- As you can see we have spent much time and discussion on the many elements of this plan we have outlined for you. We have taken seriously the ramifications of the proposal we bring to you for your consideration. We would like to continue working on making this dog park a reality and fully understand that we must work hard to meet any requirements that you may impose. Our goal is to have available to the community, a healthy activity, t.hat embraces the values of our small coastal community, which can and does include all members of the family of which dogs have always been a very important part. This dog park can bring together, families, friends, neighbors, businesses and still coexist with the airport facility now and in the future. Please consider our project and make the recommendation to the county board of supervisors that they authorize us to proceed on the community built and community run dog park. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Laurence N. Wright Sent: March 13, 2001 9:39 AM To: tim.scully Subject: Re: Heads-up notice for FAA grant program Tim, I spoke with Chuck just after I e-mailed yopu and gave him Ivan phone number at the Aeronautics Program. He was not aware of anything that would be applying for but wanted to be sure that he was up top speed on the grant process. I am assuming that he and Ivan have talked by now. You can roll-over the FAA grant allocation, but have to get a letter into thge FAA notifying them that is what you want to do, and the project for which the funds are being accumulated. Let me know if I need to do something for you or Chuck. Larry Wright MCOG Staff tim.scully wrote: > I tried to telephone Chuck Boyer to see if there's anything I can do to > help expedite this, but the best I could do was leave a voice mail for > him. I feel rather helpless since I have no authority to act for the County. > It would be terrible if we missed out on the FAA grant funding. > > Tim > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Laurence N. Wright > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 9:07 AM > > To: tim.scully > > Subject: Heads-up notice for FAA grant program > > > > > > HI Tim, > > > > Late on Friday I recieved a telephone call from Ivan Karnezas from the > > Aeronautics Program CIP Division. The dealine to get grant requests > > under the FAA program is now been past. Hs one has grant requests from > > Wiilits and the City of Ukiah. He has recieved nothing from > > the County. > > Remember if you want to accumulate the annual grant amount, you will > > still need to submit a grant for a specific project. Ivan can > > be reached > > at xxx he can send you the neccessary forms over the > > internet. I will call the County and rely the information to > > them also. > > I need to sign off on your grant request and the porject has > > to included > > in the revised RTP. We can take carew of this by FAX so there is no > > delay from our end. Ivan indicated that time is of the essence, if you > > want to participate in the program this year. > > > > Larry Wright > > MCOG Staff > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Trey Loy March 12, 2001 Concerning future construction of hangars at Little River Airport: List of designers, builders, contractors, and engineers contacted by Trey Loy by telephone and by letter of January 29, 2001 who expressed interest in the project of constructing new hangars at Little River Airport. All businesses queried have experience in the construction of hangars [Note: there are more contractors who are not on this list.] Danco Builders, Brad Cannon, Business Developement Manager (707)825-1532 5251 Ericson Way Arcata, CA 95521 Designers and builders ---------------------------------------------------------------------- TDM Construction, Angela Myers, contact person (707)468-0928 144A Cherry St. Ukiah, CA 95482 concrete work and installation of prefabricated hangars. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Crane of Ukiah, Inc. Douglas F. Crane, President (707) 462-1412 4 Banker Blvd. Ukiah, CA 95482 Building and Enginnering Contractor ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Baker Enterprises Dan Baker, owner (707) 274-4446 P.O. Box 455 Nice, CA 95464 Manufacturer of All Weather Buildings -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ferranti Construction Don Ferranti (707) 485-0095 P.O. Box 259 Redwood Valley, CA 95470 Concrete and fabrication of metal buildings -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Weston Buildings Doug Weston, Owner. (530) 473-5696 P.O. Box 1060 Williams, CA 95987 General Builing Contractors, Metal Buildings -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Master Plan Construction Service Parks Meccants, contact P.O. Box 355 (707) 923-2699 Garberville, CA 95542 Builders -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mertle Construction Gene Mertles owner (707) 964-0798 860 Maple Street Fort Braggs CA 95437 General Contractor -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barnett Commercial Builders Ernie Barnett (707) 263 6063 P.O. Box 501 1624 Parallel DR. Lakeports CA 95453 Builders -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dennis McCroskey and Associates Dennis McCroskey (707) 937-4478 P.O. Box 707 Mendocinos CA 95460 Architects structural and Civil Engineer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------